93: How to Simplify Your Business Systems Without Losing Creativity w/ Tracy Holt

Welcome with your host and business guru, Nakisha King. This podcast is the ultimate destination for women creative entrepreneurs who want to break free from burnout.

If you are overwhelmed by client demands and feel like you're doing this all alone, you, my friend, are in the right place. Now let's dive in for steps to take back your time and see simplify your workflow. All right, Nikisha, take it away.

Welcome to the iconic CEO podcast, where free spirits fall in love with systems. If you've ever felt like the back end of your business is louder than your vision you're trying to build, today's conversation is for you.

I'm joined with Tracy Holt, a professional organizer with over 17 years of experience. She's a certified life coach and the creator of Organized Coach Academy.

Tracy helps solopreneurs and entrepreneurs bring calm, clarity and confidence to their business by creating a simple, repeatable processes that actually support growth.

She's also the host of a globally ranked Organized Coach Coach podcast where she teaches business owners like you how to streamline their digital assets, their time and operations so they can lead as truly iconic and organized CEOs. So let's dive in. Tracy, welcome to the Iconic CEO Podcast. It's a pleasure to have you and I'm so excited because you and I do exactly the same thing.

But of course, we may do it differently. So, guys, while you're listening, please know, yes, we're going to geek out about systems, but we're going to simplify it for you.

We're going to share a little bit more of what you're looking out to to know if a system will work for you and get to know a little bit more about Tracy. So, Tracy, welcome.

Thank you so much. I'm excited to be here to talk about organization and systems and business and.

All the things oh my goodness.

Let's start off with when did you recognize that you either had a gift for this, did you recognize it because you were just so good at it, or you a hot mess when you stepped into the entrepreneur world and then you had to like learn this, like, tell us a little bit more.

I would say I'm a little bit in between and when I just did in home organizing when I first started 17 years ago. I am very practical. I would call myself really down to earth. I'm not, you know, into the beautiful, color coded everything.

I want it to be real life and useful because my definition of being organized is just knowing what you have and being able to find it when you need it. I don't want to Spend all the time doing all the pretty things.

I just want to do what I want to do and have the things that I need to find, be able to find. So that's kind of where I'm at.

I had a lot of free time because my kids were grown pretty much, and so it was easy to spend all the time. So I knew I needed to get it together.

So.

Good.

I love that you knew.

Clearly you weren't into color coding, but the best thing that you said was I wanted to be able to find something, and I know where it was when I needed it. And when you said that, let me tell you what came up for me automatically. My hard drive. My beautiful one terabyte hard drive.

And I have an icloud system on top of that. And I'm really good with organizing stuff. And even though I'm really good, I still go in and I'm like, where did I put this AI file that I just did?

And I'm like, what is wrong with you? And I want a naming system because I get really deep, right? Like, it's not just a folder that says graphic designs. Like, no, I get deep.

Every business has its own folder, and then there's a CEO and there's an operations folder, and then it gets deeper. And I think I just love that, because when I want to find something, I want to know where it is. And I think that's a really good point of view.

Now, when you speak about clutter and organization and the fact that you did organizing for home in your business, is it still for home, like their office? Is it their systems? Tell us a little bit more of what it is that you organize.

Yes, I did the home, and I did home offices and that type of thing. Then I started speaking on organization and productivity, and then I got Life Coach certified.

So I brought the mindset piece of it in with the, you know, practical steps of organizing. And then when I started, it was for home.

I have a program for women 50 and above for organizing, decluttering their home and downsizing and preparing and all of that.

But then it was when I, you know, needed to get my own business together, and I started creating structures and systems in that that I started helping other business owners, too.

So I have a program for business owners, and I have a program for homeowners I don't go into people's houses anymore, but I do both of those and some one on one client coaching as well, helping them in all those areas. And they're all tied together a lot.

Like if you have a business and your home is a mess, like that's helpful as well to have those structures in place.

That is so true. I love when my home is nice and clean and there's not everything on the table and everything has its space.

Even my desk, when I have my desk and if there's a lot of things on it, because over the week they build up all the things. I go to all the business cards. But I'm like, I could feel it. I go up, I got it. I got to go work on this project. We need a whole clean desk.

I move everything, put it where it's supposed to be, wipe it down, and then I'm back to school one and I'm like, oh, this feels so good, you know, So I love that you help people with this. And I wonder, do you know when the aha moment happens?

The moment where your entrepreneurs and solopreneurs actually have that moment where they're like, this clutter is affecting my business, it's affecting my life. You know, do they have those moments and are you able to. Have you seen when they had those moments, if that makes sense?

Oh, for sure. And I think a lot of people, business owners have maybe even grown up where they're the messy ones or they have adhd.

So they've always known that they have struggles with organization. I think it shows up then in their business and they. That's kind of their identity. Like, I can't keep this straight. I don't know how to do this.

But I think when it shows up in business, the aha moments, I think of two particular clients a little bit different. One had one assistant, and the assistant and she was growing her business.

She had a half a million dollar business at the time and she just was spending so much time trying to find things. And her assistant would be like, I need to do this work. Where is that file? And then she would have to go find the file.

And then it was just so much time that they were wasting. They're like, we have to get this together. They didn't even have a shared hard drive.

They, they were like, she had some stuff and the other one had some stuff. So it was just a big mess. So they knew they had to get that together.

The other one that comes to mind is one of my clients who has A very successful business.

She's a writing coach and she, her team does most of the stuff and her team tells her, don't touch anything, you know, and as soon as someone asks her for something, she just has this deep panic within herself. Like, I don't know, she's like, it's terrible. It's. She has so much shame around it.

And it's so hard because she, you know, that's her identity and people are reinforcing that, that I'm not able to keep anything organized and I can't find what I need. And so that shows up for her. And her business is handling it because her team has things organized.

But when it comes to her own things and things she wants to do, she just feels this panic whenever she opens her computer. So imagine living like that and having that shame and just trying to keep it together. She again says she wastes so much time.

Interesting. That's so good. What hit me when you said she has a deep panic. Right. Some people don't realize this, go deeper than just business.

There is something there that condition them to have this feeling. I don't know what it is though. I wonder if it's like. Because some people don't recognize it. My youngest is one of those individuals who.

Her room, her drawers are open, everything is everywhere. And I'm like, what is, what is it that you're missing? What is it that you're telling yourself?

And I think is that if a drawer is open, it's just easier to get in and out. And I'm like this because we don't have that Persona. My husband, me, we're always cleaning my. My oldest daughter. So like, what is this?

Like, somebody clue me in because it's total chaos for me. And I love that you work with different types of clients. People who have challenges with organization. Right. Attention deficit. You may have people.

Have you ever had someone who's OCD that comes to you because they might be good at organizing, but they might not be good at creating systems?

Well, and with ocd, if you get behind, like I have a client, this, she was an in person client, but she got behind and then she just panicked.

She can't get caught up again because she's so OCD or she has these systems that are so particular and when you don't have time to follow those systems, you just get behind and then you feel a lot of overwhelm in that case.

Wow. So there is two sides to it. Yeah. We always look CDs, like, no, they're good at that. Because. Right. That's the ocd. That's the compulsiveness of it.

But I never knew that they can get behind. Yes.

And when they don't, or they spend so much time on one system, like one of my clients was, it was how she folded her clothes. Like, she was so careful and meticulous, but then her whole house was just falling apart behind her. And so it's like each of those little processes.

But something you said is the clutter tolerance. I think of it like that. People have different clutter tolerance levels. And so when you think of your daughter, her clutter tolerance is very high.

She doesn't even notice that or it doesn't bother her. And other people, like myself, you, it sounds like, have very low clutter tolerance. We don't want clutter around. We notice it right away.

Yes. I like when you said tolerance, because I put automatically a scale, 1 to 10.

Yeah.

And I feel like hers is a 9 and mine is a 3. I can do a little bit, but at one point it's like, no. It feels like it's going to the four and the five.

And that's when my body goes, no, this is not. And I'm like, what is this? I want to know. I love that you gave me that new frame. Because there is a tolerance. There's a tolerance to everything.

And when you realize that, it's gives you power to understand people, to know where they are. And I'm like, that moment right now you just gave me, I'm like, great.

Because when I work with my clients on systems, the question I should be asking them is, what's their CL tolerance? What's their unorganized. How far can they go before they feel like this is not working for me?

Right.

Then if I learn people can do a 9 or 10, I don't believe I'm the best coach for them or a strategist for them, because they're never going to see the same problem. I see.

Interesting.

Yes.

And the clutter tolerance, whatever our levels are, neither one of them are wrong. And people are really successful in both of those areas. So.

Yeah.

How do we do it? And let me define how I think of clutter, too. Clutter is just delayed decisions.

So something laying around that doesn't have a home was a delayed decision to decide on a home, or it's a delayed decision to put it away in its home. So thinking of clutter like that, because a lot of people have shame around clutter too.

And I'm like, no, it's Just that you haven't made a decision on it. It's no big deal. You just have 400 items that we need to make decisions on. Not a big deal. Just the number of items, and that's it.

And you're right about that. And I. And I think it's. For me, it's not a. I love the whole scale because for me, when I can scale it, I don't see a bad or good thing.

I just know your tolerance is higher than mine. And I'm going to be honest. If your tolerance of clutter or systems or disorganization of a system is higher, you and I can't. You.

I'll tell you, this is a problem. You'll be like, no, Nikisha, that's perfectly fine. You know what I mean? Like, because you're in a nine and I'm on a three.

But if I find people who are around the three to five, then they can see what I'm talking about, and then they. They will get on board because they, too, are affected by that level of clutter.

Right?

It was like, that's so good. Because it's a measuring. I love measuring things, by the way. It helps me to know what I'm working with, if I'm a good for a good fit for it.

So I'm like, that's really. I've never had that one. I'm like, I love it. Yes. Thank you, Tracy. Thank you for that gift.

Now, let me ask you this, because a lot of entrepreneurs and solopreneurs when it comes to systems, like, they are scared. Tracy, I don't know about you, but these people are scared. That's why I created this podcast.

So when solopreneurs who feel overwhelmed by the idea of systems, what is the first simple shift or process that tends to create the biggest momentum toward becoming organized and confident for them?

Well, and let's define systems. And we're in. I'm like, defining everything now. But systems is such a big word.

Like, you talk about it, and then people have this idea of what it means in their mind. So I don't know. A system is what, a process that you go through a checklist, a workflow. Is that how you would define it, too?

I define it as has some form of structure. That's what people don't like because it feels. For creatives, it feels very structured. They don't know their creativity is structured, too.

Because if you have, like, sculpting is your. Your gift. It's not like you're out here doing watercolor you're still structured. They just don't know that because they're still in some confinement.

For me, it's just having structure. It's like organizing my thoughts of how I want someone to experience experience me.

And when I organize it, I could put it in any CRM because my specialty is CRMs, so. And that's where funnels and automations come in. They don't come in because of the CRM.

They come in because of the experience you want your clients to enjoy when. Yes. In your, in your house, when they walk into your business, you want to roll out the red carpet.

I don't want to go nobody's crummy, crummy home where everything's all over the place.

Yeah.

Okay.

So that's what it, what it is also. So that kind of flow of events or whatever. I think getting the foundation laid has been the biggest thing for my clients.

That's where I like to start. And that usually is digital file organization. Digital file structure. So they have that foundation down and the other place, I think.

And now I'm thinking, what does this look like with the system but the identity work like I love thinking that we can't outperform our identity.

And so when I think of someone who views themselves as disorganized and messy and not a systems person, for them to change and perform in that way, they really have to look at like, what do you believe about yourself and what do you want to believe? Who is that person that creates structure and, and systems and organization in their business? And what do we have to do to start thinking like her?

Even if we use like method acting or alter ego to step into that person and act like her. If that's what you want to become and if that's what you want to create in your business.

So those two things, digital organization and let's just look first, what's keeping you from getting there? Why aren't you there? It's probably a belief you have about your ability to do it.

That's true. By the way, that was coach Tracy that stepped out and expressed herself. That was not system Stacy.

Just want to let, let them know because you're coaching them on self concept and their identity. Because as we learn new things, we go from one identity to the next when we learn it, which is always a great gift, is a gift of growth.

And I think for you. And another thing too is that that shift is important and systems, like you said, interpreted what it means.

And I think when people hear it, they sometimes think of maybe A white collar job, a corporation, right? Me working with creatives, they're like, that's not us. And I go, that's the mistake you're making.

You thought systems were only relevant to a big business. It's not systems irrelevant to everyone, especially the service provider industry. Do you know why? Because you're dealing with people.

You're selling them a product and not even a product. You're selling them services that is invisible. They're not even buying something and taking it home like Amazon.

And for you to do that, they have to trust you, they have to experience you. And they experience you different from an Amazon shop. So your systems is what they experience. That is your product.

That is the experience that they're getting. And if it doesn't feel really good, they're not going to be here with you long.

They may try you, but they may not come back because something was off.

Well, this is so good thinking about that too. I love how it's like this. I don't know, because now I'm thinking, oh, a belief I have about myself is I'm not that luxury.

And not that you have to be the luxury, whatever. But I have two friends and they're both, they're just so good at creating. Like when I visit their house, they just have everything so beautiful.

They get flowers when they have guests and they have them in every room. I've learned so much from just being with them, but I always think, oh, they're so classy. Like, I'm just more down to earth. I'm not as classy.

And so I'm thinking, huh, I better identify. Do I want to keep that belief about myself? Because I want my clients to experience something beautiful. So, oh, I love thinking about this.

I love that. And it's once again just like how you like defining things, right?

You've been conditioned to think because they have flowers in their room, because they take the extra special touches, that's luxury. But it's not. All they care about is how you feel. They're actually thinking about you.

They're thinking about the person that they're inviting into their private sanctuary. And what they're doing is going, I want you to be comfortable in my space too. So I'm gonna have these things so you can enjoy the beauty of it.

Because maybe you don't enjoy it at home. Because hence you're a down to earth person who don't get flowers, right? And in other words, other people, not you.

When they get flowers, they're like, why am I spending 3, $5 on flowers, that's gonna die. Right. There's a whole story behind that where this person is not seeing that.

And that's why we consider it luxury, because they spent money on something that's going to die. But it's not the luxury factor. It's the factor that they want to welcome you. They want you to have a red carpet experience.

They want you to feel special. And you just said it. Every time I go, I feel special.

And when I build businesses or systems in my companies, it's not the entrepreneur and solopreneurs I really care about. It's the people. I want the people that they work with to always walk through that door and be like, I'm loved, I'm cared for, I'm guided.

That I love that.

I love this.

Yeah, yeah. And people don't realize. Go ahead.

Well, I was thinking about the creativity. If you. When you work with creatives, what I've noticed is we can talk about and use creativity in our systems.

Like, as we make it, it can be a really creative process, even. Even something as simple as organizing digital files. Like, we can be really creative.

We can add a fun picture instead of a file folder, you know, like things like that, which make it more fun to do it and make you feel like you're using your creative gifts to make the systems and create the foundation. It's just a little twist on kind of how we think about it as well.

That's very true. Other than the file, the artwork, do you do any naming? Like, if you have someone into music, you name folders like their favorite artists.

Like, do you do anything?

No, I haven't thought of that. That's so interesting. I teach a five folder system. Like every business only needs five folders to keep it really simple.

So that when things come into their business, their brain is like, I know it's one of these five things. It goes in there. And then they can make subfolders if they want. But no, they could put. I do have, like cute little.

Put an emoji in front of it or something like that to help their brain see a picture as well. But yeah, all that creative stuff to make it your own and fun.

I love that. See, Tracy's bringing you guys some creative aspects to. It's fun. That's what we love. We love when people work with us. Yes. So good.

Now, a lot of creatives rely on memory. A lot of them do. And they rely on memory, intuition, or doing things differently every time.

That's the thing that I think takes away from Them now, what changes when someone experiences a clear process, and that's not restrictive, but actually give them more time, more freedom, more ability to do what they love. When you encounter those type of clients, and I feel like it's the after effect, what have they shared with you?

What has been the pivotal changes that they get from the systems you help them implement?

I think the freedom, the. It really is the mental load that they're carrying now, they have. They don't have to think of that.

It's the freeing up of their brain space and what they're doing and how they're spending their time. They. They can let all of that go, which I think is. It takes time. Not time, but it takes practice.

Because I think when a lot of entrepreneurs start their businesses, they don't really know what's the best way to do something. They don't know.

You know, focusing too much on a system at the beginning might be more challenging because they haven't figured out, like, this is the best way to do it. But one of the things I have them do is just start.

Just start writing down what you're doing first of all, and then what the steps are that you do it in so that you can have a structure there and then practice it. So for me personally, I've been having assistance help me, and so it's really made me have to look at what I'm doing. I have to write it down.

I have to. My person that was helping me publish podcasts and do my graphics and schedule all those. She's. That was my sister. It's been so amazing having her.

But she quit at the end of last year. So now I'm like, she made a whole sop for me. But now I'm going through that, making sure everything is right.

But it frees up that brain space to be able to spend your time on other things.

It does. And I think. So here's a couple things. One, solopreneurs. When they start out, there is no system because you're in survival mode, right? Money.

Prove that I can do this to whoever they're proving it to. And I'm going to use anything that works. Excel, whatever, other task manager, what CRM, Five, other things. I'm all over the place.

Then they start to grow, right, because their survival mode kicked in. Like, all the things are coming to them now. More clients, businesses revving up.

They're loving it, but they know the back end is a hot mess because half of the time they don't want to do the thing. They delay the procrastination.

And they don't have time too. They all of a sudden are busy.

Yeah. And now they're busy. They think about hiring a contractor, but they. They bring the contractor in.

The contractor's like, well, I need you to tell me what to do. Because there's nothing organized. There's no system. There's no sop. There's nothing. There's no video of how to do this, how you want me to do this.

And now they got to do the task, and now they have to train. And what's interesting is that when they were in survival mode, their habits kicked in.

So when they come to me, they start telling me about all the things they do. Like, they're not proud of it, but they talk to me, and I'm like, okay, here's what we're gonna have to do. And it feels like pulling teeth.

I feel like I have to pull teeth to get them in it, Right? And I'm realizing that.

But what happens is when they say yes, and we do the roadmap, or the mapping of their brain, because that's important, and then we help whoever put the system in place, and we get the new person in it, they get their life back. They get their time back. They now can hire one or two or three people.

And now those three people don't have to come to them for everything, because now the system, they showed them how to use it. And now that person, like your sister, can make the sop, right? You don't need to make the SOP right away. You just need to get something going.

And I think when I learned that I had a systems coach, that's how I became a coach. I did not want to become a coach, by the way. That's not a title I wanted to add to my repertoire.

But when I had a system coach, she helped me get everything in my brain onto paper. And when I got really clear, my whole world changed. I was selling more. I was.

Everything increased to the point where now I have a framework that I teach my clients, and no matter what, it got better. Like, taking the time to do this thing made me better, made my clients experience better.

And I think what you're doing is the same thing, and I love that you do it different than me, because what we're teaching someone today, systems comes in different types of systems, right? While organization. I have not even considered that. I have not even thought about that. I don't. I'm like, we don't do that.

But I know we help them organize things because I need to go find something like you need to put all your stuff in one place but with you it's a whole nother level of organization know. And I think it's so cool to have that.

I think it's so cool to expose people to systems are not only automations and funnels but they're just violent system too.

And one of the things I think when we talk about systems, when I talk about systems with different people, I think people think I don't have a system. And I'm like no, everybody has a system. You get things done, you have a system. So just write down what you're doing.

We think that when we're putting systems we're going to have this like maybe fantasy system that we think other entrepreneurs do and we have to do it like that and it has to be this perfection. And I'm like no. And I always use the example of laundry.

Like my laundry system is that when I see my hamper full I just take it in and do the laundry. Like I don't have on day Tuesday morning I get up and I put my.

Which it's fine for people that have that system but I also have a system when it gets full I do the laundry.

And so people, I want to encourage people out there, you have a system, you might want to make it more efficient or make it more a better experience for your client or less stressful for yourself, but you have one. So start there, write down what you do in a checklist and then we can go from there to help make it better.

But yeah, I think it's interesting that we think a system has to look really good. Yeah.

And I don't think a system will ever look really good. I think a system will be good when you measure it by what you desire it to be be.

So for me, I like, I like when my reminders go out and people always show up to my meeting. Yeah, that's how I measure the success of my system.

And your reminders are so good. I have gotten your reminders and they're so beautiful and so elevated. That's what I thought when I was getting your reminder.

So your system is working.

Yes, and that's what I want. I wanted it to have my voice. I didn't.

Yeah, because everyone thinks when we do like emails and automations, oh my God, it's gonna be robotic, it's not gonna have a personal touch. And I'm like what are you talking about? Just because you sit at a computer and write an email don't mean It's a personal touch. The words in it.

So those words can still translate into an automated email. You should always bring your personality to your business. Right. We don't want robots. We got enough AI trying to take over. We want your voice.

So I think that's what people don't realize. Like, even you, when the hamper is full, I'm gonna wash. I think that's. People don't know when you wake up and brush your teeth. That is a system.

Every morning. I don't care if you do it after breakfast, before breakfast, later on, when you remember to do it, you do it right. Your system.

And to have you already have it. And it's just a question of what you want to do with it.

You can keep it the way it is if it works, but the reason we help our solopreneurs and entrepreneurs is because it's not working right.

They're noticing. Yeah.

Yes. I have a client who has a team, and we're working on bringing their systems into one CRM.

And the resistance is there from the team members because habit kicked in. It's how we used to do it. There's. It feels like they're scared and shaking in their boots. I'm the bad guy. I might be getting AI in.

I might be trying to replace their work. And I'm just like, what is happening here? Like, I have no power to do that, and I have no need to do that.

All I want to do is every client they're engaging with have a great experience. Yeah. Right now they're on the East Coast. They want to go nationwide. So that's all I. That's the only thing I have in mind.

How do we increase our capacity of clients. Clientele without increasing our hr. Right. Yeah. And that's it. But I love systems. You're here to be a part of my growth and my team.

You know, just like what you do. The fact that someone has five folders. Only five. Right now, I have more than five. When I go to my hard drive, I'm like, where am I going?

So I'm like, I need whatever you got for the five folders. Okay. So I want you to tell us before we get into how you're going to help us, there's one thing I have to ask you, and I love this question.

Outside of work and outside of family, what brings you immense joy in your life? Nothing to do. Organizing something separate. Something we wouldn't know about you.

Well, this morning. What?

Well.

Hmm. This is such a good question. Because you took away so Many of.

The things that bring me joy, that's work related or family related or person related, I should say. It has to be something you do and when you do it, you light up, but it's just yours. Oh, well, okay.

You'll have to see if these count, I guess. I love doing research to learn new things, but that's not. I'm not going to say that one.

I'm going to say that I want to be someone who works out and likes working out. And my identity again, has always been I hate working out.

No. So you're creating something that doesn't bring. So you're telling me when you work out, it brings you immense joy?

Because that didn't sound like the intro to that.

That's so true that I'm trying to find immense joy in that.

The research sounds interesting because it sounds like you do your research, you get real giddy. Tell me your experience. Because that's what I started to feel when you had time to do research. I felt like there was something coming.

So keep going with that one and tell me more about what that means. Imagine yourself about to go learn something new. Tell me.

Yes.

Are you like, giddy? Tell me what the feelings are.

Yeah, I love searching things and learning things from other people. So a friend of mine just said she got all brand new sheets, new bedd, new pillows, and I was like, oh, well, I might want a new pillow.

And so I went online to the pillow that she recommended and I started looking at it and imagining like what it was. I'm going on a trip. And I'm like. And a friend said, so I learn a lot from friends.

She said, oh, I have a Pinterest board that I'm collecting for what I'm going to wear on this trip. And I was like, I want a Pinterest board. So then I went on and I was like, ooh, that would look fun.

And so, yeah, it's learning and just going on and exploring and imagining what something could be. So, yeah, I think that's it.

That's it. That's one of them.

The other one. Yeah, the other one. Then when you kind of pushed back on the working out part, the other one is I. And this is an easy one.

There's this path that I walk on and I don't walk, you know, at a certain time every day or anything, but when I go for a walk, I try to go to that path because it just makes me happy. It's in the woods, nobody's looking. I don't know.

I Don't like walking in the neighborhood as much because there's just people around or people in houses. I don't know. But I love going to this path, and I love walking on that path.

So good.

So that would be for sure, one of mine.

I love that. Thank you.

And that's good to think about, though. I like you asking this question and making me really think, ooh, does that.

Yeah. Because we lose ourselves in our work life and our family life, and when you separate from that, what is it that you're really living for?

And that is what you're really living for. That is your purpose here. You're. Everyone has impact on someone, but what's the impact on you? From you? And that. Yes. Brings you immense joy.

Now I'm thinking of all kinds of them. Now I'm like, oh, wait, this is one, too. I have another one.

Yes. And that's so good. And the funny thing about it is, you mentioned the woods. Total opposite. I won't be caught in the woods.

I'm like, I want to be on the street where everyone could see me if I go missing. You know, Channel 7 news is one of these windows. And they better have. That's what we used to call it in our neighborhood, because everyone was nosy.

You like?

Yeah.

Or Channel 7.

Yeah.

I want to be seen, so if anything happens. But that's because I live in. I was born and raised in Brooklyn, so I'm right. I'm urban. I'm an urban kid, so urban kids for me.

I want to be seen, so if anything happens, someone can witness. Right. If I was born and raised in the suburbs, maybe it might be different, I don't know. But me, I'm like, sidewalk every day. Oh, that.

This is what I love is people can be so different, even with organizing. Someone said, oh, the hardest part is making decisions. And someone else was like, no, the hardest part is maintaining it. And I was like, oh, so true.

And so true for each of them to the point of debilitation, you know, but their. Their challenges were different for each, so I love that we can be so different.

Thank you so much, Tracy. Thank you for being here. Thank you for having this great conversation with me. A place where free spirits can fall in love with systems.

I think this was a really good conversation for this podcast. Ask. Now, let me ask you.

I want you to first, tell people where they can find you, and then second, if you have something special for them that we're going to add to show notes, let me know.

Yes. So find me atsimply squared away.com.

that's the name of my business and the Organized Coach podcast is where I show up and you can learn a lot and implement a lot from the pod podcast.

And then since we talked about the five files, I have a free training simplysquaredaway.com forward/five files and you can go there and learn the five files, get your digital organization set up and that is available for everyone.

I love that I will be doing that one and I'll make sure it's in the show note as well because we all need that. Trust me. I don't know what anyone's filing system I should be asking. I'm going to ask my clients. Show me.

Yes, for sure.

Oh good. Tracy, I appreciate you so much. My love. Thank you. Thank you for joining me.

And as you guys are listening, as you should always know when I have a guest on I am first time speaking to them on my podcast. We did not have a conversation before this. We don't do back and forth.

I don't do a lot of that work because I love getting to know people on my podcast and I know some people are thinking, well that's risky because you don't know what you're going to get. And I'm like, yeah, I attract my people, my people always find me. And there's some really good people.

It's so fun.

Thank you, Tracy. Thank you for that. I appreciate it.

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